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Asker
In Egypt, I had a experience. It seems like I went to sleep again. We were doing an exercise, uh, getting in touch with chakras. I stepped outside the tent and went on the side of the tent facing the the pyramid because what was going on in the tent was not for me. Something else came up.
Elan
Then you followed your feeling.
Asker
Yes. I saw an extraterrestrial. I looked into his third eye. And I went into a um, what a spectacle.
I went… it was like a uh, a tunnel, a wind tunnel, and and a um, a vortex. And I… I went diving into it. And I was there for over 15 minutes standing still, not moving at all. I was observed by my wife. She thought I was sick or something.
Elan
That is one choice, yes, of how to look at it. Actually, um, I did have a conversation. And I don’t know what what transpired. What is your meaning when you tell me you fell back asleep?
Asker
It seems like I… I… I was at sleep. Uh, I… I didn’t know what… I don’t know what happened.
Elan
Have you woken up since?
Asker
Uh, yeah.
Elan
How do you interact with what was offered to you as a perspective from your wife? Do you choose to match it and buy into it? Or do you choose to say, “Thank you, but no thank you”?
Asker
Thank you for no.
Elan
Do you understand that that has been of service to you?
Asker
Yes.
Elan
All right. Did you thank her?
Asker
Ah, perhaps not. Validated. Ah. Are you doing that now?
Elan
Do you understand the value and that the expression of the validating of her right and reason to have her viewpoint is to thank her for the offering?
Asker
Yes, I understand.
Elan
Do you understand that you need not embody what she has said but still have her particular story be just as fascinating without being patronizing?
Asker
Yes. All right. Do proceed. I got a sense that they were uh, that the conversation I was having… and I… I felt that it was with extraterrestrials. Uh, uh, was something to do with what… what’s the topic tonight? About unconditional love.
Elan
That is, shall we say, a universal favorite. Do you ever sense who I was talking to? Is it really that mysterious?
Asker
It seems like they’re… they’re showing up more and more. Was it a familiar interaction?
Elan
Concentrate rather than on the position of your body and how it felt. The feelings. Was it a familiar feeling? Ace. I… I had my… my hands up towards the pyramid. Now, now one moment. Was it a familiar feeling? Feeling wasn’t a familiar position. Wa… one moment. Was it a familiar emotion? What you felt while you were there. Did it feel familiar? I am getting to something if you will simply address what I am saying. Yes. What did it seem like?
Asker
Conditional.
Elan
Have you ever interacted with any other extraterrestrial source and derived a similar feeling?
Asker
Yes, I did.
Elan
All right. What was the source?
Asker
Bashar.
Elan
Is that really so mysterious?
Asker
No. Is there anything else well I could share with you?
Elan
Oh, please do. We always in that sense revel in statements. For understand, to us, questions are simply statements that you are looking for validation of externally. So if you are willing to straighten out the question mark and make it into an exclamation point, you are being more responsible for your statement, for your expression.
Asker
The the message that Bashar gave me there was about unconditional love. And then later on, I shared that with the panel. I… that um, panel that you that you on ice. And um, about… I guess it was uh, Philly spoke about the um, whatever we… whatever we put out, we get back. How we… we… we’ve been putting out a lot of negative stuff into the universe and we’ve been getting it back. A flawless reflection.
Elan
Yes.
Asker
And now that… now that we’re putting out uh, we’re starting to put out unconditional love, we’ll be getting that back.
Elan
Absolutely. And this changes the entire quote-unquote prediction.
Asker
Yes. So that so that the uh, spaceships up there don’t don’t have to hang around any longer.
Elan
Well, the idea is they are only there to observe, rebel, share, and in that sense participate tangentially. You do not need to be saved. You are not drowning. And the degree of your creatorhood is expressed through your willingness to experience the degree of separation and limitation that actually makes you each seem as alone, discreet individuals. This is viewed from, shall we say, collectively speaking, us as great power and courage. Not in that sense helplessness. There is no one waiting to save you. What is referred to as an upliftment is your willingness to unfold into your totality, thereby raising your your vibration, uplifting yourselves to a degree where we can interact physically face-to-face. Not from a sense of need, not from a sense of pedestal-pushing, but from a sense of sharing as you are doing now by making a statement as equals. For we see the equality of all creation. No exceptions. Not even you.
Asker
There was a an interesting thing happened. The the first night that that I was there in in uh, in Egypt. Oh, what? Um, it seemed like um, I had a visitor that first evening. Uh, there was a bright light coming through the uh, into the sky.
Elan
Before you proceed, when you were within the structure you call Great Pyramid, did you also feel something similar?
Asker
Yes, I did.
Elan
That was perhaps, you can say, individual guides. And I using the term quite loosely in saying assigned to each and every one of you for what you would call the duration. Now again, this is quite loose and arbitrarily translating, but for the duration of that particular experiential excursion, you will… many of you have found to be particular communications individual to that particular time frame and area. This also occurred to the channel. This also occurred consciously to others and unconsciously, which will burst forth in others as well. So you may understand that to have been a direct connection to what you would call ancient Egypt and perhaps, you can say, even further back than that. Back than ancient Egypt. Ice. You care to elaborate on?
Asker
No.
Elan
That does not mean we never will. But when you begin to explore to the degree of the line that that we have laid down, that allows us that access. It’s probably back into Atlantean time as well.
Asker
Yes. Okay. Further than that?
Elan
Too. A great journey. Um, they all are. Yes. Okay. Is it possible to find out who who the spirit guide was? Hey, by asking? But not asking me. Understand the nature of guides is that they are accessed internally, not externally. Therefore, your greatest degree of clarity and connection lies within. When you are turning outward and asking such a question, you are invalidating, so to speak, the directness of your connection. And you are, shall we say, rather than using the telephone, attempting to yell across a great distance.
Asker
Okay. I understand.
Elan
We thank you. I will be in contact tonight. All right. Allow me now to pause for a short break, which we do request will last 10 to 15 of your minutes of counting. And then we will resume contact at that time. There are others who wish to share and we would not want to miss it.
Asker
All right. I’ll say 10 to 15 minutes.
Elan
All right. Allow us to continue. And as we were just about to say, if there is a clarification specifically requested, do proceed.
Asker
Ice. I kind of am uh, I say struggling with the situation of having to get involved with a business association with people that I’m not sure about. And every time I think about going into the business, I get this horrible feeling of fear riveting through my body.
Elan
All right. Do you sense that this feeling of fear is a perceptive intuitiveness? Or in that sense, the idea that something that you do not prefer is most likely?
Asker
That’s what I’m trying to decide. Is it my fear of committing to any work? Or is it… is it reality that this is a dangerous situation and my body’s saying don’t? I don’t think I should have such a horrible feeling every time I think I’m going to get tied up with them, you know.
Elan
Well, first of all, understand that whatever you feel is what you feel. Allow yourself at first to feel that rather than labeling that it should be this way or should be that way. But closing your eyes, sitting up straight, breathing deeply, what is again the first thing that comes to your mind in terms of: is this fear specific to your intuitive knowledge of the situation, or is it an overall fear? What is your first perception most strongly, without hesitation? Answer that.
Asker
If I was… if it was other people, I wouldn’t have the fear.
Elan
Ah. Now this tells you in no uncertain terms that that is the case. Yeah. Now are you going to now allow your actions to be reflective of what you know to be true for yourself?
Asker
Well, it’s going to be tricky to get out of the situation because I see… feel… feel very um, it… it feels as though I’m being led into a lion’s den. So I… and I to extricate myself, it’s going to be uh, a a task.
Elan
Do understand that being led implies following. And following implies you are on your own volition, your own control, and choosing to follow. Right? Meaning you can turn around.
Asker
That’s it. So far I’ve been following and I… and I want to turn around. Oh. And but they are also very needy. And I want to help them. So it’s out of uh, obligation and compassion that I feel like I’m walking into this.
Elan
Do you feel that doing something for them instead of allowing them to do it for themselves is truly fulfilling a need or creating a new sense of need?
Asker
Yeah. It’s creating a codependency.
Elan
All right. So therefore, what you are saying is not truly what you are providing anyway. Anyway. Yeah. So now what will you do? For this is the bottom line.
Asker
Now I must make that decision. Then do it gently.
Elan
Well, you just have made the decision. Now be willing to embody it. And if in that sense you feel that your approach in doing so is gently, all well and good. That is your compassion. Without feeling sorry for them, you can feel in that sense what they are feeling—a form of empathy. But once that empathy devolves into sympathy, you are feeding their own feelings of disempowerment. You are in a sense agreeing with them that they do not have their own power. So sympathy in that sense, at least in that sense, is not constructive. Acknowledgment of not only your own power but their power as well. And what you are saying that you are providing in the form of assistance, if it is mere allowing them to continue to create a need, is not truly feeling any need. Now what will you do?
Asker
I… I wonder how much to do for them before I walk away from the situation. And and there’s something else which is: does it mean that once I love myself enough, I can walk away from this and won’t create these situations?
Elan
Ace. Absolutely. But you already love yourself enough. Now simply be willing to remind yourself in moments where you doubt that that that is so. And remember, when you doubt that, that is not a lack of faith. That is having faith in something else—perhaps that you don’t love yourself. And you get to choose.
Once you realize where you place the trust, where you place the faith, once you realize that, you get to choose where you wish to. So understand that you already fundamentally love yourself. What it is a matter of is again removing any conditions through which you will express that love. It is up to you to completely unconditionally express that love to yourself. And you need not express unconditional self-love at the expense of someone else.
Unconditional self-love automatically increases your ability to unconditionally love someone else. But very often, unconditional love for someone else is the full allowance to allow them to be who they are choosing to be, allow them to experience what they are choosing to experience. So it may come off from their perspective as a form of indifference, but it is truly a very attached form of detachment. For you are in empowering them, establishing the attachment, but you are detaching in yourself for being responsible for them, which is again in a sense a disempowering notion.
Asker
Right. And then I’m thinking of lending them or giving them a card so that they can do their work if it’s separate from me. And that seems like unnecessary, you know.
Elan
In a sense, from my particular perception of what you are saying, it is a form of guilt, as we have discussed. It is. And therefore a disempowerment to yourself and them as well. Now, if you are doing it because you love it and it brings you excitement and joy to do so, then you are doing it out of self-love and love of them. If you are doing it out of, shall we say, shame and guilt, then everyone is in that sense being disempowered.
Asker
Okay. So then they’re on their own. And it’s… they might seem stranded, but they’ll deal with it, right?
Elan
It’s not well… they dealt with it this far utilizing your assistance. Therefore, either they will attract a similar symbol or have the opportunity to begin to do it themselves. But you can do so in your full integrity with again an unconditionally loving overtone. For if you are doing it for an empowering reason, you are doing them the greatest service possible within the circumstance. If you allow them to perpetuate their disempowerment, again, that is what will be, shall we say, felt and expressed through them—the disempowering notion.
Asker
I think that’s enough because you only have 10 minutes.
Elan
There is no time limit whatsoever. Was there something in terms of a clarification requested from what we had discussed at the beginning of this interaction in terms of love, hate, and guilt?
Asker
Well… yeah. Well, no. My issue is self-love and and um, and guilt. I feel I have to give, give, give, but I don’t know how to receive. So receiving self-love is probably the hard part.
Elan
I know that it does not generally translate well into your language, but perhaps in expressing to them, “I love you so much I could not possibly give you this car,” you will be getting the idea. And expressing it and allowing them to see that form… a form of unconditional love is the willingness to grant them their power and not allow them to use you as an excuse. “If you’re not there, I have no power.” That is their choice. And that is not completely accurate if you buy into it. You can get the effect of it. But what you are now discussing is not buying into it, is not feeding their own disempowerment. And also again, understanding—and allow me to be emphatic about this—you do love yourself. Perhaps you do not always express it, but you always fundamentally embody it. So begin to, rather than feeling you need to achieve self-love, keep reminding yourself: “Oh yeah, I love myself. Almost forgot. Oh yes, I love myself. I already do. All That Is does. I will not argue with All That Is.” Is this practical?
Asker
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Sh. A male. Then male. On a couple of things. Firstly, uh, I’d like some definitions if you can.
Elan
All right.
Asker
Um, I find definitions very very uh, useful. Helps clarify what you’re doing. So if I just give you a quick list, could you give us some quick definitions?
How would you define anger?
Elan
Anger is simply alignment. It tells you when you are looking at a particular issue, place, person, or thing: “This is who I am. This is not.” Now, this generally devolves, so to speak, into what you call judgment and invalidation of the thing that you are not. But true anger—that alignment which allows you to reign yourself with your purpose—only lasts 10 to 15 of your seconds. Hence, sometimes you have the expression “count to 10.” Okay. Will that do? Or was there something more specific?
Asker
I understand what anger is, but I… I’ve been battling to define it as as a precise definition. Alignment? Just alignment?
Elan
It is one form of alignment.
Asker
All right. Also, what you call laughter, what you sometimes call crying, is also an expression of alignment.
Elan
Yeah. In general, anger is “this is me,” but the thing you are quote-unquote angry about is not me. Whereas laughter is “this is me.”
Asker
Thank you. Now, Fe… one moment. To expand: anger is alignment through the exploration of differences, where laughter would be alignment through the exploration of similarities.
Elan
Thank you. That’s good.
Asker
Okay. Definition of fear.
Elan
Fear is believing that a reality that you do not prefer is most likely.
Asker
Yeah. Good. Terror.
Elan
Terror is really believing that and also, in that sense, with the over- or undertones of completely not creating your own reality. Hence, something can slip in and happen to you. Thereby, a denial that everything happens from you. It can also, perhaps you can say, be what you call an instinctual defense mechanism. But once it becomes conscious, no, no longer needs to be interpreted in that way.
Asker
Okay. Thank you. Guilt.
Elan
Guilt is the complete removal of self-love. The imposition of conditions and the assignment of no value to who you are. The complete opposite of unconditional love itself.
Asker
Beautiful. Thank you. Grief.
Elan
Grief is, in that sense, the expression of the belief that something can be lost, which it cannot.
Asker
Uhhuh. Yes. Okay. Despair. What is despair?
Elan
Despair, in a sense, is generally an expression of grief whereby, once again, the perceived helplessness through the belief that you do not create your own reality results in believing that something can be lost—that there are things external from you which are not part of you and can then henceforth be lost.
Asker
All right. Now, with despair, incidentally, um, it’s often a point to which uh, from which people transform. It’s like the bottom… bottom of the run.
Elan
Well, that is one way to transform, yes. But it is not the only way. Okay. You have an expression that once you’re at the bottom, the only place you can go is up. But you can simply, in that sense, embody “up” from wherever you are. You need not fall to the bottom to then go up.
Asker
Okay. Anxiety.
Elan
Anxiety is the energy of excitement interpreted through negative terms. Rather than utilizing it as an alignment, you utilize it as, perhaps you can say, a form of doubt or lack of trust in the thing that you prefer.
Asker
Okay. Now let’s look at the positive side. Oh, this is fun. Yeah. Joy. What… what is joy?
Elan
Joy is the willingness to express the things which are reflective of who you choose to be.
Asker
Okay. How does that differ from ecstasy then?
Elan
They are in a sense akin. In general, what you call ecstasy will be an intensified form of joy. When you, in that sense, embody who you chose to be through the fulfillment of your excitement in every given moment, the momentum of, perhaps you can say, successive joys is an ecstatic explosion.
Asker
So. Okay. So so joy would be a number of excitements? Like a continuation, as it were, experience of the continuation of excitement? Would you say perhaps you can say ecstasy is the embodiment of truly being willing to be who you chose to be in positive terms according to preference? This is the emotion that corresponds to the belief that that is so.
Elan
Okay. Thanks. That’s that’s that’s the definitions I just… now another topic. I may now, by the way, were you to ask this at a different time, you could get completely different answers. This is simply, in that sense, the momentary sensing of a particular presentation of these ideas.
Asker
Very good. I appreciate that. Oh, thank you. Uh, now I’d like to uh just address the topic that I’m involved with, and that is uh, the the notion of World Harmony. And uh, you’ve heard this too by other people, Ted Hall in particular. A… the adorable. The adorable. Yes. He he sends his love, by the way, to everyone here and yourself.
Elan
Thank. Uh, he he did have a question if I may very quickly. Uh, oh, very quickly. Time’s up. Time’s up. Oh, go on.
Asker
He’s had some information uh presented to him which is apparently from uh, scientific realms in on this planet, that the ozone layer in fact is uh, been depleted far more extensively than first thought.
Elan
That is not our perception. It’s not. Also, understand that as well as the negative connotations assigned to the symbol, that it is also, in a sense, a reflection of the opening of, perhaps you can say, the crown chakra of the planet itself. So it truly, in that sense, depends on the way you choose to express that idea. You can express it as the lessening of protection, or you can express it as your particular ability to now absorb that much more energy.
Asker
Yeah. Yeah. That’s great. Oh, please do. Yeah. Thank you. I’m… I’m sure you be glad to hear that. Now just back to World Harmony. Um, I… I’ve been working on this for some time. Well, not working, playing really. Traveling, meeting people. And it’s really starting to come together in in a a very wonderful way. And I’ve achieved this by following my excitement uh, with integrity, as you know. Uh, what… what I’ve suddenly realized is what I’m creating here, or starting to create, is the foundation of of a new society. And uh, the opportunity for people to to join in this means uh, that everyone can can be part of this. People often ask me, “How many members you got?” And I say five and 5.5 billion people. B. Simply some have not chosen to yet activate their membership.
Elan
Exactly. Yes. Exactly.
Asker
So it’s uh, it’s like a crystal seed. And I… I feel all we need to do is just create this small group, perhaps of people who are willing to express and and operate and and live that way, and it will grow.
Elan
Well, in a sense, you create a bubble. And as you are willing to embody that bubble, you attract many other bubbles which then coalesce into a larger bubble, finally, in that sense, encompassing your entire planet and its inhabitants.
Asker
Yeah. I couldn’t have put it there myself. Oh, thank you. Um, okay. That’s about it, I think, for the moment.
Elan
Well, if there is more, we will share again.
Asker
Okay. Back there. Yes. Uh, just one thing. Uh, comment about uh, self-love. Oh, I… I did this one time. I… I looked in the mirror and I… and I had no judgment on myself.
Elan
Well, how exciting. How did that feel?
Asker
Ecstasy.
Elan
That is looking your true self in the eye and acknowledging it as a reflection. That is what you are as an expression within All That Is. All That Is admires the reflection of you. Now it is perhaps up to you to mimic that vibration and admire that same reflection in yourself.
Asker
Now I took that as as being unconditional love.
Elan
And that is how simple it is. Your mirror, in a sense, is a metaphor for everything external is a reflection of your internal consciousness. And in fact, perhaps more appropriately speaking, what you consider to be your internal consciousness, your body consciousness, is actually within your overall consciousness and not the other way around.
Asker
Proceed. Just a comment. That’s a… oh, thank you. Elon. He. Greetings. Greetings. I have two subjects. The first one uh, Thursday in Egypt. Uh, I finally met a person that I was greatly attracted to, Janice Nicholas from Perth, Australia. Whom, of course, that afternoon he had a one-on-one session with. Uh, my question is uh, can you tell me whether we might be soulmates or knew each other in past lives? Uh, some such connection.
Elan
There is a strong momentum behind that idea. But what is it you are really asking?
Asker
Well, I intend to correspond with with her. But how in the world does somebody strengthen a relationship with somebody who’s all the way around the other side of the world?
Elan
Ah. Thank you. By expressing perhaps expectancy that something will come of it, but not having rigid expectations that it must come in one form or another. What I am saying is allowing it to be what it is rather than insisting that it must be something else. Once you are willing to do that, then it will present itself as to what it is more clearly.
Asker
Well, it’s good that we both believe in miracles. That helps.
Elan
Now, in that sense, what do you mean?
Asker
That… not g… to let you get away with that one. That things can occur that in normal third density thinking, uh, it would be ridiculous to think that anything might happen between two people who met for two days and then live on opposite sides of the world. Forget it.
Elan
I then assume that perhaps you have not understood what I have said. For that is implying a specific expectation.
Asker
No. Do you understand? I… I really don’t have a specific expectation.
Elan
Well, understanding that miracles are the rule rather than the exception, what would then seem so miraculous about this?
Asker
I would just like to see a relationship grow in a particular expected format. Or however it will develop, any way at all will be very acceptable.
Elan
Then I promise you, in that sense, guarantee you, if you approach it from that perspective, it will occur and be what it is and deliver to you what it needs to to allow you to that much more fully express who you choose to be. And nothing less.
Asker
Did you indicate earlier that maybe we did have some connection in past lives?
Elan
Ace. But your particular ilk toward feeling that is what tells that to me rather than a specific sight that I need to have. And therefore, if you wish to explore that, go right ahead. But what will enable you to tap most strongly into it is the commonality of exploration in this life with her. Specifically, that will allow bleed-through from similar explorations in other lives. I remind you, you have lived thousands and thousands of lives. All of you. So the reason it may sometimes only seem like a few is some of them are simply completely irrelevant to what you are exploring. And the ones that come as the past lives are simply the ones that have some degree of commonality. So explore what the relationship means to you, and that will provide the commonality for what lives will then stand out in relief. If that’s even necessary. For sometimes that may provide distraction for what’s going on in this life in the here and now. Maybe it’s the law of attractions that really is going on here. And likes attract likes. And uh, that’s why uh, I was strongly attracted to her.
Elan
Ice. But again, your willingness to accept whatever form it comes in will allow you to be more receptive for things you may have missed if you very narrowly focused on only expecting a particular thing. You may, when you narrowly focus on only expecting a particular thing, missed the point altogether.
Asker
Okay. I shall remain general.
Elan
You will. But what I am referring to again is that one would need to be the one rather than a one.
Asker
Well, I… I assume that we all have more than one soulmate. Ice. But if there is to be one, the one in this life, what will enable you to realize that most fully is relaxing that definition. Paradoxically, most times, rather than insisting on that definition, that allows the space for the comfort of all to come forth and then be compared and explored. Allows you to get to know each other without the defenses.
Elan
Okay. Very good. Next subject.
Asker
Second subject. All right. When a person opens up to who they really are, remembers more of who they really are, could you talk about what kind of stages or phases they go through as they progress further and further into fourth density? And maybe some of the issues that arise because they start to see themselves and behave rather drastically different, maybe than normal third density behavior.
Elan
All right. In general, what was will occur as you are willing to dive into self-exploration is that things that again we have labeled were stored through denial in the subconscious closet will begin to pour forth. They do so in the form of emotions. In general, if they are non-preferred beliefs, they come in the form of negative emotions. If one denies those emotions back in the closet, knocking louder upon the door. If one acknowledges those emotions and then doesn’t stop at that point, but upon the acknowledgement and feeling of those emotions traces them back to the belief—“Will I feel this negative way? What must I believe to feel this?"—they then get the opportunity, through acknowledgment of those beliefs, to choose the new beliefs and the new actions that accompany them. And empty the closet. Through the denial, however, the closet gets, shall we say, repacked. And again, the idea being that they are, shall we say, desiring to be expressed, knock louder. Does this fit what you are asking?
Asker
No. Let me be more specific.
Elan
Well, understand that I do understand where you are coming from. What I have said addresses one aspect of it. But please do be more specific with your brother.
Asker
My brother thinks he’s Jesus Christ.
Elan
Uh, well, you all are. The second coming. Okay. Well, one moment. We have discussed this before. The second coming is not to occur through a single individual. It is the expression and embodiment of the Christ Spirit—the unconditionally loving of self and others Spirit—through each individual. Jesus, shall we say, the embodiment, is not necessarily completely synonymous with the Christ’s spirit. For you separate Jesus the embodiment and as being separate from you. And the Christ Spirit is within each individual. Now, Jesus and the Christ Spirit are truly one and the same. I am saying there is a perception of separation. But just as Jesus the embodiment and the Christ Spirit are one and the same, the point of the embodiment was to show you you all contain the Christ Spirit. Therefore, you are all Christs. Some of you in waiting, but nevertheless all Christ. And the second coming is the acknowledgement of this expression and spirit within you. Reminding perhaps him that that will occur to everyone then allows him to see that this is simply his version of it. Not that he needs strongly identify with the embodiment of Jesus. Does this make sense?
Asker
Yeah. It’s just a… there is also a great deal of denial going on, which is why I laid down that foundation. There are negative emotions coming up. I need not tell you they are not being looked at from the perspective of the Christ creatorhood of “what must I believe to be creating this.” Therefore, there are more beliefs being stuffed back into his closet, so to speak. And there is a pressure being created by the louder knocking. That is one aspect. The other aspect is a again, perhaps again, the non-acknowledgment of the Christ within everyone. Not to take away from his special expression, but to grant the equality and validity within all to welcome the awakening of that spirit within him, but not in an exclusionary way and not needing to adopt someone else’s name.
Elan
That does fit. Because at this point, my perception, each feels quite superior.
Elan
Ace. Okay. We are also addressing that. But are also addressing that the unconditionally loving Christ Spirit within you all does not promote fear, which is powerlessness. The feeling of powerlessness. So you may share that as well.
Asker
I’m just not sure that I’m uh, um, I know I’m not responsible for him, but I’m trying. I’m working. I’m playing. I’m doing uh, responsible to him. And uh, I’m out of ideas, I guess. Because it’s… it’s like water off a duck’s back.
Elan
Well, the idea is all you can do is offer the gift. And as we have used as the analogy with the receipt in case it he wishes to return it: the true giving of the gift is the giving of it. “Here. This is yours. Do do what you want with it. Use it. Throw it out. It’s up to you. I give this to you freely because I love you. Period.” The insistence is matching that resistance within him.
Asker
Most recently, I’ve been pushing the idea that like the rest of us, he deserves to experience the consequences, plus or minus, uh, of his behavior.
Elan
Well, that is automatic. He cannot, in that sense, avoid that. What you put out is what you get back. And that is automatic.
Asker
Well, part of that is how… how do I uh, receive some of his uh, edicts or commands or demands or whatever? He’s not looking for disciples. He’s looking for hand servants and slaves.
Elan
Well, you are not, in that sense, willing to fulfill that role. For it would be not only the disempowerment of yourself but the acknowledgement of the disempowerment in him. For it implies that he need control something externally, which then expresses the lack or feeling of lack of control internally. So lighten up. Allow him to give his gifts as well. And in clear, unconditionally loving terms, say thank you or no thank you. But still saying thank you.
Asker
Very good. Thank you very much.
Elan
Oh, thank yourself.
Asker
Oh, I… I had a question. But first, I want microphone and John St.’s questions.
Elan
Oh, please do. And speak up. We would not want to miss it.
Asker
It seems like uh, his brother is being in a certain way. But uh, S is the one who is learning more from it.
Elan
Oh, thank you. Not perhaps more, but as much. Okay. From what his brother is expressing. And this is of service.
Asker
Um, my question was I was wondering uh, besides you yourself and are there other beings from Isas that are in touch with us?
Elan
Many. Now, not always do individuals, shall we say, decide to, using your slang, pick up the ball and run with it. But there are many agreements in place. Perhaps you can say relatively few individuals actually choose to embody it due to the fact that this is somewhat unconventional in your society. But it is still offered. And as perhaps some of them become in touch with some of the individuals such as the channel before you who are willing to express this idea, this idea begins to wake more up within them as a discreet possibility. But there are, shall we say, many individuals expressing it in some terms on some level. It is increasing. But again, we have unconditional agreements. Therefore, there are no insistences that they must be played out. Though it brings us great joy when they are. We also understand the timing, the right, and the reason when it does not. But there are more individuals than perhaps you are aware of beginning to awaken and express this idea. Interestingly enough, they do not always ascribe it as an extraterrestrial source. They may interpret it in many ways. Some of which will be angelically interpreted. Some of which will be interpreted as simply spirit guides. There is not always even the necessity for there to be the distinct and discreet label of who we are as coming from where we are, as much as the information, which is what is important to us.
Asker
And Dan, you tell us what is the female counterpart Ian? This is the first time I heard that.
Elan
Uh, you will understand that as a physical expression, you have an oversoul. And so does, at this level of understanding, each and every one of you. What you call your soul, your oversoul, your higher self, does not matter. But there seems at this level to be a separation. You have one oversoul. You have another oversoul. And so forth. When one oversoul expresses more than one individual in the same contemporary time frame, this is called counterpart consciousness. You may understand that your oversoul expresses what you call reincarnation, and these are your other lives lived in other time frames. But you also, from time to time, for specific reasons, will express more than one life in the same time frame. You have a similar relationship to what you would call your past and future lives. But this is known as counterpoint consciousness. In our ancient understandings, we drew these similar types of separations. And according to that particular frame of thinking, you may still, shall we say, interpret that on some level of understanding: I have a discreet oversoul which is shared by several other of my contemporaries. But as one expands and begins to, shall we say, incorporate all these into a singular idea, it is now more the notion, from our perspective, that we all ultimately our oversoul, so to speak. This is quite arbitrary. Ultimately, trace back to having a single oversoul. So on the one hand, all individuals in our society are counterparts on that level. But there are still breakdown and distinctions, perhaps you can say, remnant thinking, so to speak. So therefore, my female counterpart would be the one that I represent from your particular definitional understanding as sharing the same oversoul. Does that make any sense?
Asker
Sense. A… all right. It gets a bit complicated. For we are discussing multi-dimensional concepts through a unidimensional, so to speak, perspective. Your female counterpart be U coming to some other CH? That is altogether possible and likely. Though it is also at the disposal of this channel from time to time to express it when there is a particular reason to have an overtone of what you call a female style of energy. For we still do embody as male and female. And in that sense, different nuances will occur through that idea. Also for your own identification, since you still very strongly identify, society-speaking, with male and female. Um, can you tell us name of your fer?
Elan
Once again, we have no names per se. But the designation that we have assigned to counterpart consciousness of myself, Elan, and again this is quite arbitrary, is Ana.
Asker
And of talking speaking about names, does Big Nose mean anything to you?
Elan
Repeat. Big Nose. Big Nose. Oh. Right. Not by that particular vibration. What does it mean to you? In other words, we do not recognize it by the name. So what is the energy behind it? What does that particular nomenclature, Big Nose, mean to you?
Asker
It’s a name given to me used by a particular being for me.
Elan
Oh. Ah. It would simply, in a very specific sense, point to the idea that your expansion will also be embodied by the expansion of your physical senses themselves.
Asker
I didn’t understand that at all.
Elan
Thing is, as you expand your consciousness, your physical senses will also expand. Your ability to see, perhaps beyond what you will have considered, in that sense, to be your normal everyday reality. And in this case, again, there is an emphasis upon your particular sense of smell. What does this mean to you?
Asker
I… I have been smelling um, things or whatever smells which are not supposed to be.
Elan
Ah. Exactly what we mean. In terms of an expanded sense of hearing, you would perhaps seem to hear things that would seem to quote-unquote not be there. You are simply expanding your sensitivity. In terms of sight, you may see things particularly at first out of the corners of your eyes. You are now beginning to expand your vision. You have a very strong relationship with what you call sense of smell. And therefore are simply, in that sense, expressing it through that sense. At first, you will also notice the other senses, touch, and so forth, to also begin to expand as well. Feel it. Sometimes just to expand and continue the thought: individuals will more and more feel as though something has touched them, so to speak, brushed by them, so to speak. And this would be an expression of the expansion of your sense of what you call touch. You are literally beginning to increase the sensitivity of these senses to extend beyond your merely one seeming dimension of experience. So enjoy.
Asker
I have… no. I have kind of strange question.
Elan
Oh, all right.
Asker
Thank you. Uh, to the do beings that are in touch with us, never lie?
Elan
Repeat.
Asker
I don’t know who what to call them, but I’m saying beings. Now, what I am saying is… repeat the question. The ears of the channel did not receive it.
Elan
Oh. Okay. The beings that are that we are in touch with, do they ever lie?
Asker
They provide perspectives which may or may not agree with your own perspective. So that is an arbitrary thing. They may provide a reality which is simply irrelevant to you. From the overall perspective, it is quote-unquote true, but not your particular truth. Also, sometimes you will, in that sense, be given information again, not only through similarities but through differences. This allows you to establish your own empowerment in saying, “I do not agree.” “I do not agree” is an empowering notion rather than simply being all right, led around by the nose. Yeah. Honest.
Elan
Thank you. B. Do you understand? Do you kind of… the idea is this: if you only agree with everything, whether or not your heart of heart tells you that that is not so, simply because it is coming from a particular source, you are in a sense disempowering yourself when you do that. Therefore, your willingness to stand up and say, “I don’t agree. And I am who I am. I validate your right to say that. I understand it is true for you, but it is not true for me,” is an expression of empowerment. And this is the common, shall we say, job of many of the guides in that sense: to allow you to establish who you are through what you agree with, but also through what you do not agree with. Does that make more sense?
Asker
Yes. If I’m more specific, maybe you’ll understand.
Elan
All right. It’s not about me. But uh, if they claim they are somebody um, and they are not… that I’m talking about that kind of lie. Do they you always uh, say ask them who they are? And if they claim to be a certain being and I feel like no, that’s not true. Oh my. Can you be more specific? And also understand, sometimes it can simply be in the spirit of what you call play and fun as well. But can you provide a specific example? What was said that you choose not to believe?
Asker
I think I should uh just start uh trusting uh the feeling I get from the vibrations. Because I can uh differentiate between the different vibrations. Except I think sometimes I’m not paying attention. I… I just go by the by what they are saying. And then I realize, oh, this is not the same being that was that I thought was.
Elan
Will also understand that, society-speaking, you still create the notion, though you are one whole consciousness, that you have many voices or parts of yourself. So very often, what you may be experiencing is a part of your own self, shall we say, putting its two cents in. Which again allows you, in no uncertain terms, to either say, “Well, all right, I agree,” or “That is perhaps dated. That no longer applies to who I am. Thank you for pointing that out.” You will begin to differentiate more concretely between what is quote-unquote an external—and I mean this in the most arbitrary of ways—contact, and what is simply embodiments within your own mind or thinking making themselves known. Allowing you to evaluate, perhaps again, aspects of your closet coming forth to allow you to decide whether you wish to have that or do not wish to have that, which is of service to you. It allows you to develop your discernment. Are we getting there? And if not, please proceed.
Asker
What if I… I will apply this to to my situation. And I think it will… it will make sense.
Elan
Oh, well. We will, in that sense, speak again. Whether it is quote-unquote externally or internally. And as you, in that sense, employ what I am saying and then get the result, perhaps it will be obvious. If not, we will speak again, so to speak. All right.
Asker
Uh, yes. And I can see that there’s no point in getting angry. Because right…
Elan
Well, there is a point in getting angry. It aligns you. What perhaps will not serve you as directly is then judging the thing that you decide when you align is not reflective of who you are. Simply allow it to be. All right. Say, “This is what I agree with. This is what I do not agree with.” Perhaps I feel that anger to show me that I do not agree with this. But now that I know that I don’t agree with this, it’s all right for someone else. Do you understand?
Asker
Yes.
Elan
All right. Is that all?
Asker
Yes. Thank.
Elan
Oh, thank you. Speaking of his energies, I’ve been feeling a lot of these. I think a very ancient energies around me. And I’ve been um, sensing them through through uh, the elements. Let’s say drops of water, you know, snow falling, wind blowing, things like that. It’s been really exciting about it.
Elan
Oh, thank you. Literally, your environment is within you and not the other way around. Yes. As you again expand your consciousness, you always then begin to realize, in that expansion, that the reality that you used to believe you existed within exists within you. Much as waking from a dream. In the dream, you are doing it. You are within it. You wake up and know it is within you. It is a direct and applicable analogy.
Asker
Well, is it possible that I was speaking to uh, Darlene, a friend of ours here, on the phone today? And we both heard the same kind of thud bump while we were speaking about a certain subject.
Elan
You were aligned, in that sense, and creating a shared expanded sense. So it was the same energy that we both heard.
Asker
Oh, yes. This will occur more and more. Yeah. Yeah. We were speaking specifically about my chamber, you know, the chambers that I’ve been exploring, caves, whatnot. And it’s uh, I think that we both have something to do with that in the past.
Elan
Absolutely. And we found that out through this life that we’re both having. Understand, perhaps it will seem in your linear time frame as a very delayed response. But what you were both hearing was literally an echo of a sound that you both co-created long ago.
Asker
Yeah. Well, in in brief, I… I like to share my last experience. Went to cave. Uh, yeah. It was Thanksgiving. I don’t know. I’m a little unclear about it because I feel like I’ve been having dreams that I have been going there physically since then, which is really unusual.
Elan
Well, not real. But all right, if you say so.
Asker
But this was specifically Thanksgiving. And I… a lot happened. I had a wonderful time. Uh, I was facing into the blackness. I was in a different position than usual. Um, I had more visions of uh, glittering oceans. And this time, land… a land mass started to move into the glittering oceans. Um, I started to accept that as Bimy or the Bahamas. In a sense, yes. Maybe Atlantis.
Elan
Ice. More directly.
Asker
Yes. And um, a lot of things happened. I opened myself to a lot of past lives. I’ve received many things. Um, specifically one was a woman with a raincoat over her head smiling at me. Uh, things about NASA, about the space program. Um, to some degree. In the next interaction, we will discuss this a bit. Um, think something about Mark Twain. Uh, I saw an image of a man with a big white hair, white mustache. I thought Mark Twain. And uh, lastly, I… I affirmed to myself that I was ready to open the door. So I did. I physically opened a door in the blackness of this cave. And my surroundings were green. And I accepted that I was… oh, I’m on Assani.
Elan
Thanks. Thank you for the acknowledgement.
Asker
Yes. And uh, and you were there. And many others. And uh, I… I greeted you. And I said I loved you. And um, it sounds kind of awkward, but we made love.
Elan
Well, in a sense, in a sense. I know. It… it’s very unusual. But it was moving. Understand that what you will perceive to be the co-created empathy between us in being a shared, in that sense, form of consciousness is analogous, loosely, to what you call your sexual act. For as you, in that sense, in your reality, with your style of expression in what you call sexuality, engage and share in that particular expression, you perhaps fleetingly or momentarily are able to experience as as the other individual in what you call, perhaps, the orgasmic state. So therefore, since this is how we all continually and only perceive each other at first, it may feel similar.
Asker
So that was an interpretation. Yeah. Yeah. And I also got as a reflection of my own self, law nice. And we thank you.
Elan
Yeah. You reflected that to me.
Asker
Well, you reflected it to yourself and allowed me to be the mirror. And I think yeah. And it… I remember distinctly about Es Assani that there was… I heard the wind in the trees. There was a breeze in the trees. Nice. And uh, that was really moving to me. And I asked to be shown around. And I was. And we… I looked. I saw maybe mountainous areas. And then I said, “Show me other fourth density societies.” So we went off into this little scalp craft. Literally. And then I looked at you. And I said, “What was it about those past lives?” So we immediately left that. And I went back and answered them for you. Or for me. And um, most distinctly, I came up with this big one about uh, that I was a spiritual overseer of building the chamber that I was in.
Elan
Oh, thank you. Now you are being responsible for yourself.
Asker
Yeah. And and I wore a long robe. I held a staff. I uh, was an overseer. And I was more of a liaison to the ETs, uh, you know, through the workers. Do you recognize a similarity in the stat?
Elan
Yes. Most definitely. Much longer. Then, in a sense, this is a reflection of it. Not the precise idea.
Asker
Yeah. And it was uh, really great. And uh, as far as being a spiritual priest overseer, I feel like I perhaps was one of many. Uh, but I… I know where others are. I think.
Elan
Now that you are willing to acknowledge this, you will attract, in that sense, the direct incarnated reflections of and may find, to some degree, you already have.
Asker
No more will I say. So that was specifically last time we spoke about the past life that I should tune in. I… I believe it should be. It was quite empowering and great. Um, and bring that feeling into this life. And you will understand why you are remembering it here and now. And apply it as as well to the earlier idea that we had discussed with you this evening. Call it forth. Allow yourself to vibrate in harmonious resonance with that you, the embodiment, the expression of that you of that past life.
Elan
I see no similarity. But I’ll work on.
Asker
Well, in a sense, the unconditional love is the similarity. Do you add anything more to that life at all?
Elan
What more is there to add? You have said it all.
Asker
I know. I some more. You had very nice long hair in a single braid down your back.
Elan
Yeah. Perhaps that is not what you are asking. But surprise. That’s wonderful. That’s nice details. I like that.
Elan
Oh, thank you. There will be but a few moments remaining to this interaction. Over here. Some clarification on what you talked about originally.
Asker
Oh, thank you for that. Provides clarification for all. You talking about unconditional love. And that’s something that I’m finding a little difficult to understand. We… we know love in different forms. Love for a lover, love for a family. And sometimes we feel an emotion attached to it. Sometimes we don’t. There’s just a respect. Um, I’m not sure what that unconditional love for other people would be like or how it would be experienced. For example, the people in this room, I… I can feel a connection with, but you don’t. And an acceptance. And there’s no there’s no sense of problem in dealing with people or talking to the people here. But that’s not always the case with people that we me there people who say that don’t necessarily want to be in their presence, even though you try to accept them and respect them. Can you give me some clarification of what that unconditional love would be like? How it’s expressed? How it’s felt?
Elan
Ace. Acknowledge anyone that you attract. Understand that some will be a reflection of what you choose to embody, and some will not. Your willingness to allow and validate those who are not and allow them to go on their merry way without needing to carry around their baggage is an expression, in a sense, of what you have called acceptance. This is not my story. My story is this. Your story is that. Your story is just as fascinating, but I do not choose to need to interact with it or necessarily condone it as my own expression or form. However, you have the right and reason to exist. Obviously, you are exploring this. See you later, Charlie, or whoever. Do you understand?
Asker
Yes.
Elan
That acceptance, that acknowledgement, and again utilizing perhaps the verbiage “right and reason to exist.” It may not be your reason, but they have the right to explore their reason, just as you feel you have the right to explore your own. So it need not take the form of, all right, smothering them with hugs and kisses. But your willingness to not invalidate them. If it makes analytical sense to you that you have gotten something out of seeing their point of view, all well and good. If not, it will later. That type of trust and acceptance. Is that clarified? Or can we go further?
Asker
I think that clarifies it. It brings to mind something you had said in an earlier interaction. Well, being able to learn from what’s happening in another part of the world, even we don’t have to experience that. We can simply see the negativity there and and learn from it. We can see perhaps some aspect of their life that we do not choose to experience and learn from it.
Elan
I. And as I have also shared, expanding consciousness means it all expands. And since you are exploring polarity very strongly, positive and negative, it would not be expansive to only become more aware of just one aspect when it is always both. So therefore, the awareness of and experience are two completely different things. Your awareness of makes you that much more well-rounded. Your choices and your actions, which determine your experience, is completely up to you. But it cannot harm you or in any way threaten you to be aware of other realities. Simply make you more well-rounded. So again, yes, that is a direct analogy and extension of what we are saying.
Asker
We can then feel somewhat neutral toward people and still be moving toward the feeling of unconditional love.
Elan
Oh, absolutely. They can have an action to take it to the opposite extreme that you completely would not condone. But how will you express that? You will express that by saying, “All right. You have the right and reason. I choose not to interact with this. And I choose not to embody it.” Then you have actually used what they have showed you in in a positive way. Used everything in your creation, even that. Now, again, you may gravitate away from certain individuals who are choosing to express a reality that is simply not representative of the reality that you express. And that is all right. But when you are willing to simply validate them, perhaps having no analytical understanding of their right and reason, but that they have the right and reason, and then expressing through your own self your preference, then you have integrated and again expressed a style of appreciation. Unconditional love. “I will still love you. I may simply never see you again.” And one step further: “Thank you for pointing out to me, in no uncertain terms, how I do not wish to be.” Is that useful?
Asker
Well, thank you. It becomes a little more difficult to apply this now in my mind to unconditional self-love.
Elan
Well, if you say so. But it is completely up to you.
Asker
The idea of accepting myself somewhat neutrally. Or can I be neutral toward myself and be self-loving?
Elan
Was that as you begin to express what is truly indicative of who you are through your excitement with your intent integrity, you will in general build a strong emotional attachment. As you deny these things and perhaps do what everyone else says you should do, you may feel a form of neutrality toward how you have chosen to act. So the more you are willing to embody, express in action, who you chose to be—again utilizing the vibration of your passion and excitement—the more you will feel that passion, desire, excitement, joy, and eventual ecstasy building within you. So acknowledge what you already have. Allow yourself to see what is no longer reflective of who you choose to be. And allow yourself to embody, to only act from the center of who you do choose to be. Then you will, I assure you, in no uncertain terms, feel that unconditional self-love emotionally in the form of complete acceptance and ecstatic joy. Just the kind of joy of being alive and the joy of remembering who you are: a Creator choosing to express in this reality under these set of circumstances and also transforming them completely within one given lifespan. The transformational lifespan that you are within right now.
Asker
I guess I was thinking mostly of the neutrality and seeing the things that we do not choose to continue to be a part of us. In other words, rather than judging ourselves, carrying around the guilt, just view them somewhat neutrally and see that as a learning experience.
Elan
Well, establishing your preference with them: “I prefer this. I do not.” The thing that I prefer is all well and good. The thing that I don’t prefer is all well and good. But the thing that I don’t prefer is no longer representative of who I choose to be. So I notice the differences and choose the preference. There are equal choices within you.
Asker
Oh, thank you. There was one other question I have. Or at least one other. Do share.
Elan
I did not choose to join you in Egypt this time, although I’ve been very strongly attracted to Egypt. I just did not feel the timing was right.
Asker
Understand that in what you call your dream reality, you did.
Elan
Well, I was going to say I was there with you in spirit.
Elan
Well, also quite literally in what you call your dreams. Can you give me some information on that strong feeling I have toward Egy?
Asker
Ice. You also, as again all present in some form, have led very strong past lives through which there was the exploration of much of what we are discussing, though perhaps in a much more contracted and limited sense. And therefore, there is the identification with your present exploration of expansion itself.
Elan
Can you be more specific?
Asker
Perhaps you can say, in that particular life, you ascribe much of the power in realizing and acknowledging that power to external sources you sometimes label gods. And are now, in that sense, realizing that they were all merely aspects of yourself. So there is the understanding of the many aspects in common, but the new understanding in relating to the old: that now you understand it is all you. Again, I understand this translates in general terms, but this is the overall theme you are exploring now.
Any specific lives you wish to tap into? We refer you back to yourself and your own trust in the power of the tool of your imagination to simply understand that when you close your eyes and think of what you call Egypt and allow what attracts you about it, how you feel about it, to come forth, very elaborate pictures will form and answer your question in a more direct, specific way. But this empowers you to become part of the process rather than place it outside of yourself with me.
Elan
I knew you were going to sleep.
Asker
Oh, thank you. You are quite psychic. Thank you very much.
Elan
Oh, thank you. I who specific were the gods of the Egyptians?
Asker
This does not only have one simple answer. Many times, what are depicted pictorially as gods were particular human individuals early on. Some were what you would call direct Atlantean expressions which, perhaps you can say, had not chosen to buy into the degree of limitation yet. And therefore had perhaps what you could call longer lifespans, therefore making them seem, in many ways, immortal. They were not. That is one expression. Very strongly, that they were again physical individuals. What you sometimes call heroes.
But understand that that, as the idea of them, shall we say, after physical death, then was explored by the many civilizations and many reincarnations of the civilizations. They took on mythological meanings, archetypal meanings, which then were incorporated into the mass consciousness and are now interacted with in a variety of ways. So on the one hand, they were discreet individuals. On the other hand, they were archetypes within the mass consciousness.
On, shall we say, an overall point of view, they were expressions or aspects of the one overall All That Is. So again, perhaps somewhat unsettling, it is all the above. So they were not directly extraterrestrials. Again, there was extraterrestrial influence, perhaps reincarnation more than directly. Though there were some exceptions.
Elan
I had a very strong uh, a very strong intuition as I was visiting the temples that the the leadership, the Pharaohs, and the people at the high level of government, neither they nor the top level priests believed. In fact, that these entities were Gods.
Elan
Some did. Some did not. The ones that did not, in general, did recognize, shall we say, their expanded abilities but were willing to accept a more down-to-earth explanation of them. Some actually did them. So it will depend. Understand, you are talking about hundreds and perhaps thousands of individuals. Were the temples and uh, the religious rituals used to focus the imagination of the people and in a sense control them politically?
Asker
That was not their original intention. They were utilized much in that way, yes. And one thing that their original intention was much as the Great Pyramid itself: as forms of lenses for not only electromagnetic but etheric, perhaps you can say, energy as well. Generally, the more early versions of these things had a particular alignment similar to what you call Great Pyramid. Then, perhaps you can say, as your society moved on, they simply began to face, all right, Main Street or whatever. And the idea of the direction was lost altogether.
Elan
Yes. That brings uh, that brings the observation that one can not possibly help but notice that in Egypt there’s this big gap between uh, the beings who are responsible for building the pyramids and and the like, and the present Egyptians. Um, it’s almost as though those people that were close enough to the inception of these phenomena no longer exist in Egypt. Were there Egyptians at that time that had access to the technology in in in a sense of understanding and being able to use it? A mastery of the technology that was used to build that Great Pyramid?
Asker
No. Not really. It much viewed as miraculous in that sense. So it was as much a mystery to the Egyptians present at that time as it is to the Egyptians present now.
Elan
Well, in a sense, you may understand this to be very early on in what you call Egyptian history. And to some degree regarded by some to be pre-Egyptian. In that what is generally considered the establishment of Egyptian history was when there was the unification of what you call Upper and Lower Egypt, approximately 3,000 of your BC years.
Asker
It’s come to my attention that there… so this will predate that. That will still occupy that area. Calling them Egyptian, in a sense, is a misnomer. For Egypt is a later, shall we say, assigned Grecian nomenclature.
Elan
Okay. But are the people that were present at the time of the pyramids, are their descendants still present? And was there some type of of written or oral tradition handed down? Or they left the planet all together?
Asker
The idea is more that they spread out and do not necessarily generationally speaking remain in that area.
Elan
I see. Well, in fact, some of us are those people ourselves.
Elan
Absolutely.
Asker
I see. It’s come to my attention that there are statues uh, and artifacts and the like in the pyramid and in certain temples. I think uh, that’s made of a a substance called schist. Uh, very very hard substance. Uh, that’s virtually impossible to cut uh, with our present technology. Uh, but nevertheless was fashioned into uh, artifacts and statues. Could you comment on that, please?
Elan
In general, what you would call statues of this nature were added later. And and can be cut with your present technology with with with diamond chisels and the like.
Asker
Ice. All right. But but at that time, how were they fashioned?
Elan
With similar technology that you are sharing now. Chiseled, in that sense.
Asker
I see. With okay, with with diamonds to some degree. Yes. Okay. Uh, who fashioned these particular statues?
Elan
What you would call Egyptian. Okay. Again, with an influence. Not really. Again, this was later. They were added later. Did the original pyramidic structures contain no statues in that way? For there was not the idea of the externalization of worship. That was a later occurrence. The Egyptians did have that technology at that time. Yes. Very strongly. Did they have the technology to what you call chisel in stone? Yes.
Asker
What’s the origin of schist stone?
Elan
Due to, shall we say, lack of translational clarity, we are not precisely sure what you are preferring to well, referring to. This very very hard stone, harder than granite. Um, I don’t know where it comes from. And I didn’t meet anyone in Egypt that did know where it came from. They just know that it’s present. It would perhaps aid us to have the channel view this. We are again not directly connecting with what you are saying.
Asker
I see.
Elan
Uh, this does not mean you cannot bring this up again in a future interaction.
Asker
No. I will when I have more data. Oh, thank you. And can I just ask about the past life connection between myself and the Egyptian guide H? You can ask. Could I get an answer?
Elan
Perhaps depending on how you ask.
Asker
Uh, pretty please.
Elan
Oh, all right. What was the strongest area of attraction between you? Where were you physically?
Asker
I was in the Temple of Luxor.
Elan
Thank you. Interesting. Understand both sides of the coin. Both of you. The ecclesiastical hierarchy in tandem. And interestingly enough, thieves. Together. Thieves together in Luxor. In that sense, what we had shared earlier was participated by both. Except this time in Luxor. Nice. One moment. With direct connections in Hathor as well. Is this during the same time period?
Asker
Ice. I see. So well, you are a roving band of thieves. But we were fun guys, weren’t we?
Elan
Absolutely. You still are.
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